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 Post Posted: April 7th, 2012, 3:18 am 
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I wonder how much Hansen gets paid to peddle this garbage. :lolloll

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Averting the worst consequences of human-induced climate change is a "great moral issue" on a par with slavery, according to the leading Nasa climate scientist Prof Jim Hansen.

He argues that storing up expensive and destructive consequences for society in future is an "injustice of one generation to others".

Hansen, who will next Tuesday be awarded the prestigious Edinburgh Medal for his contribution to science, will also in his acceptance speech call for a worldwide tax on all carbon emissions.

In his lecture, Hansen will argue that the challenge facing future generations from climate change is so urgent that a flat-rate global tax is needed to force immediate cuts in fossil fuel use. Ahead of receiving the award – which has previously been given to Sir David Attenborough, the ecologist James Lovelock, and the economist Amartya Sen – Hansen told the Guardian that the latest climate models had shown the planet was on the brink of an emergency. He said humanity faces repeated natural disasters from extreme weather events which would affect large areas of the planet.

"The situation we're creating for young people and future generations is that we're handing them a climate system which is potentially out of their control," he said. "We're in an emergency: you can see what's on the horizon over the next few decades with the effects it will have on ecosystems, sea level and species extinction."

Now 70, Hansen is regarded as one of the most influential figures in climate science; the creator of one of the first global climate models, his pioneering role in warning about global warming is frequently cited by climate campaigners such as former US vice president Al Gore and in earlier science prizes, including the $1m Dan David prize. He has been arrested more than once for his role in protests against coal energy.

Hansen will argue in his lecture that current generations have an over-riding moral duty to their children and grandchildren to take immediate action. Describing this as an issue of inter-generational justice on a par with ending slavery, Hansen said: "Our parents didn't know that they were causing a problem for future generations but we can only pretend we don't know because the science is now crystal clear.

"We understand the carbon cycle: the CO2 we put in the air will stay in surface reservoirs and won't go back into the solid earth for millennia. What the Earth's history tells us is that there's a limit on how much we can put in the air without guaranteeing disastrous consequences for future generations. We cannot pretend that we did not know."

Hansen said his proposal for a global carbon tax was based on the latest analysis of CO2 levels in the atmosphere and their impact on global temperatures and weather patterns. He has co-authored a scientific paper with 17 other experts, including climate scientists, biologists and economists, which calls for an immediate 6% annual cut in CO2 emissions, and a substantial growth in global forest cover, to avoid catastrophic climate change by the end of the century.

The paper, which has passed peer review and is in the final stages of publication by the US journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, argues that a global levy on fossil fuels is the strongest tool for forcing energy firms and consumers to switch quickly to zero carbon and green energy sources. In larger countries, that would include nuclear power.

Under this proposal, the carbon levy would increase year on year, with the tax income paid directly back to the public as a dividend, shared equally, rather than put into government coffers. Because the tax would greatly increase the cost of fossil fuel energy, consumers relying on green or low carbon sources of power would benefit the most as this dividend would come on top of cheaper fuel bills. It would promote a dramatic increase in the investment and development of low-carbon energy sources and technologies.

The very rich and most profligate energy users, people with several homes, or private jets and fuel-hungry cars, would also be forced into dramatically changing their energy use. In the new paper, Hansen, director of Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and his colleagues warn that failing to cut CO2 emissions by 6% now will mean that by 2022, the annual cuts would need to reach a more drastic level of 15% a year.

Had similar action been taken in 2005, when the Kyoto protocol on climate change came into force, the CO2 emission reductions would have been at a more manageable 3% a year. The target was to return CO2 levels in the atmosphere to 350 parts per million, down from its current level of 392ppm. The paper, the "Scientific case for avoiding dangerous climate change to protect young people and nature", also argues that the challenge is growing because of the accelerating rush to find new, harder–to-reach sources of oil, gas and coal in the deep ocean, the Arctic and from shale gas reserves.

Hansen said current attempts to limit carbon emissions, particularly the European Union's emissions trading mechanism introduced under the Kyoto protocol which restricts how much CO2 an industry can emit before it has to pay a fee for higher emissions, were "completely ineffectual". Under the global carbon tax proposal, the mechanisms for controlling fossil fuel use would be taken out of the hands of individual states influenced by energy companies, and politicians anxious about winning elections.

"It can't be fixed by individual specific changes; it has to be an across-the-board rising fee on carbon emissions," said Hansen. "We can't simply say that there's a climate problem, and leave it to the politicians. They're so clearly under the influence of the fossil fuel industry that they're coming up with cockamamie solutions which aren't solutions. That is the bottom line."

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Another article about climate change during the '70s.


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As usual, we're experiencing a bit of a cold snap around these parts. Happens every Easter. Highs in the mid 60's yesterday, and overnight lows in the mid/high 40's for the next few nights.

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Asymmetric seasonal temperature trends – Cohen et al. (2012) [FULL TEXT]


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Abstract: “Current consensus on global climate change predicts warming trends driven by anthropogenic forcing, with maximum temperature changes projected in the Northern Hemisphere (NH) high latitudes during winter. Yet, global temperature trends show little warming over the most recent decade or so. For longer time periods appropriate to the assessment of trends, however, global temperatures have experienced significant warming trends for all seasons except winter, when cooling trends exist instead across large stretches of eastern North America and northern Eurasia. Hence, the most recent lapse in global warming is a seasonal phenomenon, prevalent only in boreal winter. Additionally, we show that the largest regional contributor to global temperature trends over the past two decades is land surface temperatures in the NH extratropics. Therefore, proposed mechanisms explaining the fluctuations in global annual temperatures should address this apparent seasonal asymmetry.”

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Summary and Conclusions: Analysis of monthly and annual temperatures over the past decade shows that the positive global temperature trend has become insignificant and small. Based on previously reported analysis of the observations and modelling studies this is neither inconsistent with a warming planet nor unexpected; and computation of global temperature trends over longer periods does exhibit statistically significant warming. However, upon examining the trends seasonally, more interesting and significant findings are discovered. In examining the NH extratropical landmasses, the biggest contributor to global temperature trends, we find substantial divergence in trends between boreal winter and the other three seasons. A statistically significant warming trend is absent across NH landmasses during DJF going back to at least 1987, with either wintertime near-neutral or cooling trends. In contrast, significant warming is found for the other three seasons over the same time period.

Based on current literature and our own examination of the latest coupled climate models, the lack of a significant warming trend in winter spanning nearly three decades is not likely or expected (less than 10% of the ensemble members analyzed in this study predicted no warming in winter). Therefore, we argue that any attribution study on the recent cessation of global warming should explicitly explain the seasonally asymmetric nature of the temperature trend. For example, studies that attribute the recent cooling to diminished shortwave radiation at the surface are at a great disadvantage since their influence is maximized during boreal summer and minimized during boreal winter, opposite to what has been observed.

There are theories that argue for recent cooling that is limited to the winter season. One theory is known as ‘warm Arctic cold continents,’ where a warmer Arctic and declining Arctic sea ice are contributing to colder winters across the NH continents [Honda et al. 2009; Budikova, 2009; Francis et al., 2009; Overland and Wang, 2010; Petoukhov and Semenov, 2010; Serreze et al., 2011]. A second theory is that increasing fall Eurasian snow cover that may also be related to a warming Arctic is forcing a negative trend in the winter AO [Cohen and Barlow, 2005; Cohen et al., 2009; Cohen et al., 2012]. As Figure 3b illustrates, the observed winter temperature trend spatially resembles the pattern of temperatures associated with the negative phase of the AO. Therefore, the inability of the models to simulate the observed trend in the AO (Fig. S4), may partly explain the poorly simulated DJF temperature trends.

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As usual, we're experiencing a bit of a cold snap around these parts. Happens every Easter. Highs in the mid 60's yesterday, and overnight lows in the mid/high 40's for the next few nights.

Not here. :grumble

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it was nice an warm today, so my hands don't work so well from being abused in the garden pulling weeds and planting shit. cold tonight though so the stuff i planted is probably history. :lol

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Right now Ēostre for me is a cool cloudy 19.7C

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Snowing here right now. VERY light snow, but still snow.

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Snowing here right now. VERY light snow, but still snow.


So winter came late, Britton. It's cold enough over here for snow in Scotland, but it's just too late in the year for us to get any. If only we had these conditions two months ago :sad


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Snowing here right now. VERY light snow, but still snow.


So winter came late, Britton. It's cold enough over here for snow in Scotland, but it's just too late in the year for us to get any. If only we had these conditions two months ago :sad



No, it's nowhere near abnormal to see snow this time of year in this part of Michigan. I've seen it in June, routinely in early May.

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Hey Bricriu, it looks like we're getting more snow in autumn then you did during winter. :P


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Snowfall at Tinderry, about 50 kilometres south of Canberra on April 10.


Snow has arrived early in parts of southern New South Wales.

Temperatures plummeted to minus 5 degrees Celsius overnight in higher regions around Canberra and in the Snowy Mountains.

Sean Carson from the Bureau of Meteorology says about 5 centimetres of snow has carpeted the region.

"Not only the Snowy Mountains it's got down to pretty low levels, as low as 900 metres," he said.

"It's one of those systems where you combine with the colder part of the day as you get towards nightfall last night and the early hours of this morning, and the snowline has really plummeted to quite low levels.

"So snow falls in areas that you probably wouldn't expect this time of year. But it's not that unseasonable as the seasons change."

Jenny Wholohan from Tinderry, about 50 kilometres south of Canberra, says snow began falling there about 6:00pm on Monday.

She told ABC 666 Canberra, the ground was blanketed with snow when she woke this morning.

"It's still all covered the ground. I don't think it has snowed very much through the night, but everything's still covered. It's all white up here," she said.

Mr Carson says the cold front is moving on.

"The cold front is moving out to the Tasman Sea and those southerly winds will be pretty fresh along the coast today. Some shower around Cooma and the south coast but they should clear as the day wears on," he said.

"Canberra staying fine and a high pressure system will build over the ACT and surrounding regions for the remainder of the week. Another cold night again tonight."


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17.7C and overcast here currently.

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Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) acknowledged that climate change is a "problem" last week at a GOP fundraiser.

"This isn’t popular to always say, but I believe there is a problem with climates, climate change in the atmosphere," he said Thursday, according to the Columbus Dispatch. "I believe it. I don’t know how much there is, but I also know the good Lord wants us to be good stewards of his creation. And so, at the end of the day, if we can find these breakthroughs to help us have a cleaner environment, I’m all for it."



Pretty ballsy for a Republican to say this. of course he integrated God into it, but still cool. Pun intended.

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50 top astronauts, scientists, engineers tell NASA GISS – “…the science is not settled”.



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March 28, 2012
The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
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Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

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CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science
CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center

Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.

1. /s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years
2. /s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years
3. /s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years
4. /s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years
5. /s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years
6. /s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years
7. /s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years
8. /s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years
9. /s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys., Engr. Dir., 44 years
10. /s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years
11. /s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years
12. /s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years
13. /s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years
14. /s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years
15. /s/ Anita Gale
16. /s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years
17. /s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years
18. /s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years
19. /s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space Center, 22 years
20. /s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31 years
21. /s/ Thomas J. Harmon
22. /s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years
23. /s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years
24. /s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years
25. /s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years
26. /s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life Sciences, 22 years
27. /s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40 years
28. /s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson Space Center, 24 years
29. /s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div., Egr. Dir., 34 years
30. /s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen
31. /s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, Ass’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30 years
32. /s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs, 40 years
33. /s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program Offices, 33 years
34. /s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station Program, 28 years
35. /s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years
36. /s/ Tom Ohesorge
37. /s/ James Peacock – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years
38. /s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years
39. /s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr. Directorate, 40 years
40. /s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr. Dir., 48 years
41. /s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years
42. /s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years
43. /s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, Ass’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years
44. /s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years
45. /s/ Frank Van Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years
46. /s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years
47. /s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini & Apollo, MOD, 10 years
48. /s/ George Weisskopf – JSC, Avionics Systems Division, Engineering Dir., 40 years
49. /s/ Al Worden – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 15, 9 years
50. /s/ Thomas (Tom) Wysmuller – JSC, Meteorologist, 5 years

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High 30's expected here tonight.

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Hey Bricriu, it looks like we're getting more snow in autumn then you did during winter. :P


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Well that's probably a given any year, seeing as I live at sea level. Even in a predominantly mild winter, like last winter was, we get about a foot of snow above 2, 500 foot.

I saw about an inch in total this winter. It was as bad as the late nineties. Of course now we have blocking conditions, just when it's too late in the year for snow to fall :cursing


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Snowing here right now. VERY light snow, but still snow.


So winter came late, Britton. It's cold enough over here for snow in Scotland, but it's just too late in the year for us to get any. If only we had these conditions two months ago :sad



No, it's nowhere near abnormal to see snow this time of year in this part of Michigan. I've seen it in June, routinely in early May.


Do you live in the most northerly part of the state? Are the areas that can see snow even later than that?


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Snowing here right now. VERY light snow, but still snow.


So winter came late, Britton. It's cold enough over here for snow in Scotland, but it's just too late in the year for us to get any. If only we had these conditions two months ago :sad



No, it's nowhere near abnormal to see snow this time of year in this part of Michigan. I've seen it in June, routinely in early May.


Do you live in the most northerly part of the state? Are the areas that can see snow even later than that?



My state is shaped like a hand/mitten. With an upper peninsula that looks like a rabbit jumping over the mitten. :lol I live in the northern part of the "thumb" area" and at the southern part of what people consider "Northern Lower Michigan".


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Up in the Upper Peninsula they got snow way later than us. The snowpack can last until May and it has been known to snow in June up there.

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OMG!!! Global Warming already flooded Canada!!!!! :eek


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OMG!!! Global Warming already flooded Canada!!!!! :eek



And on that day, not one shit was given. :P

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According to Envisat sea levels are falling in that area.


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Considering Australia will be underwater soon I think we all should move to Tuvalu.


And the Maldives, not content with one new airport, want to construct two more on uninhabited islands and turn them into tourist resorts. Don't they know you can't land planes underwater?

Alarmist article is alarmist.

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But then I wouldn't trust what Envisat says anymore because everything is being adjusted up nowadays in time for AR5.

red image was dated November 10, 2011
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Some of the adjustments being made by GHCN.

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I keep hearing that the scientists that dissent from warmist AGW position are all crackpots and/or are paid by big oil. Well, let's hear from some of them:

    Dr Robert Austin, Princeton Physicist – “I view Climategate as science fraud, pure and simple”

    IPCC scientist Eduardo Zorita – “Michael Mann and Phil Jones should be barred from the IPCC process…They are not credible anymore.” Zorita also noted how insular the IPCC science had become. “By writing these lines I will just probably achieve that few of my future studies will, again, not see the light of publication,”

    IPCC lead author Richard Tol – lamented that the IPCC had been captured and demanded that “the Chair of IPCC and the Chairs of the IPCC Working Groups should be removed.” Tol also publically called for the suspension of the IPCC Process in 2010.

    UN scientist Professor Will Alexander – “The IPCC is a worthless carcass…Pachauri is in disgrace…fraudulent science continues to be exposed.” He claims there is “no scientifically believable evidence that human activities can influence global climate”, “climate change adherents show a complete lack of numeracy skills and logical deductions” and that there has been “deliberate manipulation of climate change science to suit political objectives”.

    Dr. Don Easterbrook, a professor of geology at Western Washington University, summed up the scandal “The corruption within the IPCC revealed by the Climategate scandal, the doctoring of data and the refusal to admit mistakes have so severely tainted the IPCC that it is no longer a credible agency.”

    IPCC lead author Tom Tripp – “We’re not scientifically there yet. Despite what you may have heard in the media, there is nothing like a consensus of scientific opinion that this is a problem. Because there is natural variability in the weather, you cannot statistically know for another 150 years.”

    NASA scientist Dr Leonard Weinstein – “Any reasonable scientific analysis must conclude the basic theory wrong!!”
    Nobel Prize-Winning Stanford University Physicist Dr. Robert B. Laughlin – “Please remain calm: The Earth will heal itself — Climate is beyond our power to control…Earth doesn’t care about governments or their legislation. You can’t find much actual global warming in present-day weather observations. Climate change is a matter of geologic time, something that the earth routinely does on its own without asking anyone’s permission or explaining itself”

    Dr. Christopher J. Kobus, Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Oakland University – “In essence, the jig is up. The whole thing is a fraud. And even the fraudsters that fudged data are admitting to temperature history that they used to say didn’t happen…Perhaps what has doomed the Climategate fraudsters the most was their brazenness in fudging the data”

    Russian Scientist Dr. Anatoly Levitin, the head of geomagnetic variations laboratory at the Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere and Radiowave Propagation of the Russian Academy of Sciences who has published numerous peer-reviewed studies about the interaction of solar radiation with the Earth‘s magnetic field – “The energy mankind generates is so small compared to that overall energy budget that it simply cannot affect the climate…The planet’s climate is doing its own thing, but we cannot pinpoint significant trends in changes to it because it dates back millions of years while the study of it began only recently. We are children of the Sun; we simply lack data to draw the proper conclusions.”

    Brazilian Geologist Geraldo Luís Lino – “Hundreds of billion dollars have been wasted with the attempt of imposing an Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) theory that is not supported by physical world evidences…AGW has been forcefully imposed by means of a barrage of scare stories and indoctrination that begins in the elementary school textbooks.”

    Research Chemist William C. Gilbert – ““I am ashamed of what climate science has become today.” The science “community is relying on an inadequate model to blame CO2 and innocent citizens for global warming in order to generate funding and to gain attention. If this is what “science‟ has become today, I, as a scientist, am ashamed.”

    Swedish Climatologist Dr. Hans Jelbring of the Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics Unit at Stockholm University – “The dysfunctional nature of the climate sciences is nothing short of a scandal. Science is too important for our society to be misused in the way it has been done within the Climate Science Community.” The global warming establishment “has actively suppressed research results presented by researchers that do not comply with the dogma of the IPCC.”

    Renowned engineer and aviation/space pioneer Burt Rutan, who was named one of the “100 most influential people in the world, 2004″ by Time Magazine – “Those who call themselves “Green planet advocates‟ should be arguing for a CO2- fertilized atmosphere, not a CO2-starved atmosphere…Diversity increases when the planet was warm AND had high CO2 atmospheric content…Al Gore’s personal behaviour supports a green planet – his enormous energy use with his 4 homes and his bizjet, does indeed help make the planet greener. Kudos, Al for doing your part to save the planet”

    Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid – “Global warming is the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the Resurrection is the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing the new faith…My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a physicist who has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science is. In effect the scientific method has been abandoned in this field.”

    Greek Earth scientists Antonis Christofides and Nikos Mamassis – “We maintain there is no reason whatsoever to worry about man-made climate change, because there is no evidence whatsoever that such a thing is happening.”

    Pavel Makarevich of the Biological Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences – “There are clear cycles during which both temperature and salinity rise and fall. These cycles are related to solar activity…In my opinion and that of our institute, the problems connected to the current stage of warming are being exaggerated. What we are dealing with is not a global warming of the atmosphere or of the oceans.”

    Hebrew University Professor Dr. Michael Beenstock an honorary fellow with Institute for Economic Affairs – “Because the greenhouse effect is temporary rather than permanent, predictions of significant global warming in the 21st century by IPCC are not supported by the data.”

    South African astrophysicist Hilton Ratcliffe, a member of the Astronomical Society of Southern Africa – “The whole idea of anthropogenic global warming is completely unfounded. There appears to have been money gained by Michael Mann, Al Gore and UN IPCC’s Rajendra Pachauri as a consequence of this deception, so it’s fraud.”

    Prominent physicist Hal Lewis resigned from American Physical Society, calling global warming the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life.”

    Climate Scientist at the UEA, Mike Hulme admits – “Claims such as ‘2,500 of the world’s leading scientists have reached a consensus that human activities are having a significant influence on the climate’ are disingenuous. That particular consensus judgement, as are many others in the IPCC reports, is reached by only a few dozen experts in the specific field of detection and attribution studies; other IPCC authors are experts in other fields.”

    Award-winning Swedish Mathematics Professor Dr. Claes Johnson – “AGW alarmism is based on an idea of ‗back radiation‘ or ‗re-radiation‘ from an atmosphere with greenhouse gases, but the physics of this phenomenon remains unclear.” Johnson explained that backradiation from atmospheric greenhouse CO2 ―is unphysical and purely fictional.

    Meteorologist Dave Epstein, who teaches at Framingham State College – “I am angered by climatologists, environmentalists, and politicians who purvey one of the biggest myths of modern time”

    Dr Peter Bonk, a member of the American Chemical Society – ―When one realizes all the factors at play that define and shape climate, the idea of hanging all the changes (and saying that they are all bad) on CO2, an important but minor atmospheric component, seem beyond all reason”

    Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Tim Coleman rejected the ‘hysteria’ of global warming in 2009 – ‘It has now gotten to the point that almost any major weather event is blamed by someone on global climate change”

    A survey of American Meteorological Society members revealed – “75% disagreed with IPCC claims”

    Research Chemist William C. Gilbert who published “The thermodynamic relationship between surface temperature and water vapour concentration in the troposphere” in the journal Energy and Environment – “I am ashamed of what climate science has become today” adding “I was immediately amazed at the paltry level of scientific competence that I found, especially in the basic areas of heat and mass transfer”.

    61 prominent German scientists from relevant disciplines such as physics, chemistry, geology and meteorology sent a joint letter to Angela Merkel in 2009 stating “humans have had no measurable effect on global warming through CO2 emissions. Instead the temperature fluctuations have been within normal ranges and are due to natural cycles” and complaining “In the meantime, the belief of climate change, and that it is manmade, has become a pseudo-religion”.

    260 members of the American Physical Society were so unhappy with their governing boards stance on global warming that they formally requested in 2010 in a letter to the Society – "As current and past members of the American Physical Society, we the undersigned petition the APS Council to commission an independent, objective study and assessment of the science relating to the question of anthropogenic global warming. The assessment should consider findings representing the full scope of available scientific sources. The assessment is to be used as a basis for a new Statement on Climate Change that reflects the current state of scientific knowledge and its uncertainties.”

    More than 100 international scientists wrote an open letter to President Obama in 2008 – "Mr. President, your characterization of the scientific facts regarding climate change and the degree of certainty informing the scientific debate is simply incorrect”, continuing "We, the undersigned scientists, maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated. Surface temperature changes over the past century have been episodic and modest and there has been no net global warming for over a decade now”.

    In 2009, 166 international scientists sent this open letter to the UN Secretary General, which began “Climate change science is in a period of negative discovery – the more we learn about this exceptionally complex and rapidly evolving field the more we realize how little we know. Truly, the science is NOT settled.”. They go on to say “It is not the responsibility of climate realist‘ scientists to prove that dangerous human-caused climate change is not happening. Rather, it is those who propose that it is, and promote the allocation of massive investments to solve the supposed problem‘, who have the obligation to convincingly demonstrate that recent climate change is not of mostly natural origin and, if we do nothing, catastrophic change will ensue. To date, this they have utterly failed to do”. All of these scientists were qualified in climate related scientific disciplines.

    Hundreds of prominent scientists from 40 countries signed the 2008 Manhattan Declaration which stated – “Global climate has always changed and always will, independent of the actions of humans, and carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant but rather a necessity for all life; the causes and extent of recently-observed climatic change are the subject of intense debates in the climate science community and that oft-repeated assertions of a supposed consensus among climate experts are false “.

    Nobel prize winning physicist, Ivar Giaever – “I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion”.

    Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called ―among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years – “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical…The main basis of the claim that man‟s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system.”

    UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist – “Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history”…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.”

    Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University – ““The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn‟t listen to others. It doesn‟t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists”.

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People like to point out how much it has warmed since the 19th century as proof of AGW and how we must stop the warming. It is the starting point for modern climate observations. But that period was most likely the coldest the planet has been for the last 10,000 years.


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Jørgen Peder Steffensen is an Associate Professor at the University of Copenhagen and one of the world’s leading experts on ice cores. Using ice cores from sites in Greenland, he has been able to reconstruct temperatures there for the last 10000 years. So what are his conclusions?

    * Temperatures in Greenland were about 1.5 C warmer 1000 years ago than now.
    * It was perhaps 2.5 C warmer 4000 years ago.
    * The period around 1875, at the lowest point of the Little Ice Age, marked the coldest point in the last 10,000 years.
    * Other evidence from elsewhere in the Northern Hemisphere confirms this picture.

His final comment is particularly telling :-

    I agree totally we have had a global temperature increase in the 20thC – but an increase from what? ..Probably an increase from the lowest point in the last 10,000 years.

    We started to observe meteorology at the coldest point in the last 10,000 years.

Have a look at this short video of Professor Steffensen’s here.



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A paper published last year “Climate variability in West Greenland during the last 1500 years” by Ribeiro et al attempted to map temperature changes in Disko Bay, in West Greenland, during the last 1500 years by analysing marine sediments. Their conclusions included :-

    * The past 1500 years have been identified as one of the coldest intervals of the last 7000 years in Disko Bay.
    * This period is inserted in the context of the Neoglacial Advance of the Greenland Ice Sheet starting at c. 5000 years BP and culminating in the Little Ice Age (e.g. Kelly et al 1980).
    * A long term cooling trend from the mid-late-holocene is consistent with air temperature reconstructions from Greenland ice core data (Vinther et al 2009,2010). ……..
    * …… And with climate studies in areas influenced by the East Greenland Current (e.g. Jennings et al 2002; Moros et al 2006).
    * This late Holocene cooling trend is also consistent with marine and terrestrial records from several locations in the Northern Hemisphere (e.g. Levac et al 2001; Moros et al 2004).
    * The dinoflagellate cyst record Disko Bay revealed generally cold sea surface conditions and extensive sea ice throughout the entire studied period.

As well as putting the last 1500 years into long term perspective, the authors have found that their analysis confirms a warmer period between 1050 and 1250 AD and extensive sea ice conditions from 1500 AD. In particular they make this interesting comment :-

    Presently, the Baffin Bay southern sea-ice boundary extends from Disko Island to the southwest, towards Canada. This would imply that prior to AD 1250 this boundary was more northerly and gradually moved towards the vicinity of the core site until after AD 1500 (Little Ice Age), when it was positioned south of the core site.

In other words, sea ice was less extensive in the MWP than now.

We therefore appear, as far as Greenland is concerned at any rate, to be going through a slightly warmer interlude within a much longer cooling period. Maybe we should be worrying that the next LIA will be colder still.



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We regularly hear claims of “record breaking” and “unprecedented” temperatures in Arctic regions. However, as the records usually only go back to the 19th C, these statements are pretty meaningless.

There are in fact many scientific studies that show the Little Ice Age, which came to end in the late 19th C, was the coldest period in these regions for maybe 10000 years.

We have already seen studies by Jorgen Peder Steffensen (based on ice cores) and Ribeiro et al (dinoflagellates), which both come to the same conclusion. Let’s take a look at four more.


1) Kelly and Long – “The Dimensions of the Greenland Ice Sheet since the Last Glacial Maximum”

    Based on radiocarbon ages of marine shells and reworked terrestrial organic material incorporated into historical moraines, environmental conditions registered in lacustrine sediments, and submerged coastal features, it has been suggested that the Greenland Ice Sheet receded tens of kilometers within its present day margins during the early and mid Holocene (e.g., Kelly, 1980 and references therein). This ice sheet recession was likely a response to the warmer temperatures of the Holocene Thermal Maximum (9-5 ka) (e.g., Kaufman et al., 2004), which is registered by Greenland ice cores as ~2.5°C warmer than at present (Dahl-Jensen et al., 1998).

    A critical question is to determine the dimensions of the ice sheet at the end of this warm interval, prior to the Neoglacial (~4 ka-present) readvances. In many locations the ice sheet and mountain glaciers reached their maximum extents since the early Holocene during the Little Ice Age (ca. A.D. 1290-1850) (e.g., Kelly, 1980; Hall et al., 2008b; Kelly et al., 2008).


2) C J Caseldine – “The Extent of Some Glaciers in Northern Iceland during the Little Ice Age”

    Lichenometric studies from four glaciers in Northern Iceland are used to determine the dates of their Little Ice Age maxima. In all cases these date to the last half of the 19th C and probably marked the maximum Neoglacial extent of the glaciers.


3) Vinther et al – “Holocene of the Greenland Ice Sheet”

    The previous interpretation of evidence from stable isotopes (δ18O) in water from GIS ice cores was that Holocene climate variability on the GIS differed spatially and that a consistent Holocene climate optimum—the unusually warm period from about 9,000 to 6,000 years ago found in many northern-latitude palaeoclimate records—did not exist. Here we extract both the Greenland Holocene temperature history and the evolution of GIS surface elevation at four GIS locations. We achieve this by comparing δ18O from GIS ice cores, with δ18O from ice cores from small marginal icecaps. Contrary to the earlier interpretation of δ18O evidence from ice cores, our new temperature history reveals a pronounced Holocene climatic optimum in Greenland coinciding with maximum thinning near the GIS margins. Our δ18O-based results are corroborated by the air content of ice cores, a proxy for surface elevation.


4) Levac et al – “Sea Surface Conditions in Northernmost Baffin Bay during the Holocene”

    The analysis of cores collected in northernmost Baffin Bay, from within the area of the North Water Polynya, permits definition of a composite sedimentary sequence ca. 12 m thick spanning the last 10 000 14C yr, with only a few discontinuities. Palynological analyses were performed in order to reconstruct changes in surface water conditions and biogenic production. Transfer functions, using dinocyst assemblages, were applied to estimate sea-surface temperature (SST) and salinity, as well as the seasonal duration of sea ice cover. At the base of the record, prior to 9300 14C yr BP, dinocysts and organic linings of benthic foraminifers are sparse, indicating harsh conditions and low productivity. After ca. 9300 14C yr BP, the increased concentration of benthic foraminifers (up to 103 linings cm−3) and dinocyst fluxes (102–103 cysts cm−2 yr−1) reveals high biological productivity related to open-water conditions. The early to middle Holocene, from ca. 9000 to ca. 3600 14C yr BP, is marked by relatively high species diversity in dinocyst assemblages and the significant occurrence of autotrophic taxa such as Spiniferites elongatus, Pentapharsodinium dalei and Impagidinium pallidum. This assemblage suggests conditions at least as warm as at present. From ca. 6400 to ca. 3600 14C yr BP, transfer functions indicate warmer conditions than at present, with SST in August fluctuating up to 5.5°C. After 3600 14C yr BP, the dinocyst record suggests a trend of decreasing temperature toward modern values, marked by recurrent cooling events.


Why does any of this matter?

We are told the current climate is “unprecedented” - it is not.

We are told Arctic warming will have dangerous consequences – it did not.

We are told of dangerous tipping points – they did not happen.

The reality is that for the last 4000 years the climate, at least in much of the Northern Hemisphere, has been steadily cooling down, albeit interspersed with warmer interludes. If the pattern continues, the next Little Ice Age, due in a couple of hundred years or so, will be colder than the last. Then we really will have something to worry about.


References


1) http://www.pages-igbp.org/products/news ... -61%29.pdf

2) http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/6 ... 6007264403

3) http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 08355.html

4) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 4/abstract

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It's thankfully been colder than normal here. For 3 weeks or so. First time we've had a colder than normal stretch in a long time. Supposed to get even cooler for the next week or so, 4 or 5 days out highs in the 40's. Not complaining. People in the middle of the country are sweltering.

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