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Best chuckle I've had in a while. :lol :lol :lol

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Long overdue. :D

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The trend bar doesn't even make sense. In the second graph in the mid/late 90's where the years are real warm, the trend bar is still going down.

It makes perfect sense.


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I know you were posting how "cold" it was in Australia? Isn't there fires and heat waves now?


Australia is a huge country. There are always heat waves and fires somewhere, especially in summer.

Yes, it is cold.


http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/m ... mary.shtml

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Averaged over Australia, daytime temperatures were 0.43 °C below average (the 13th coolest year on record, out of 63). New South Wales and Western Australia recorded maximum temperatures 0.74 and 1.51 °C below average, respectively. For Western Australia it was the third coolest January on record, despite the continued prevalence of warmer than average maxima along the west coast from Carnarvon to Albany. For a large area of inland Western Australia, January maxima were more than 5 °C below average for the month. Perth experienced a heatwave in the later part of the month, with five days (between the 24th and 28th) above 35 °C. During the event, high temperatures, especially in the Central West district, and strong winds associated with tropical cyclone Iggy, fanned a bushfire burning out of control north of Perth and led to widespread fire weather warnings in the west of the state.

Maxima were below average for a large area of southern Queensland and northern New South Wales, and above average for the Top End, parts of central Australia, the tip of Cape York, Tasmania, and western Victoria and the adjacent southeast corner of South Australia.

Minimum temperatures, averaged over Australia, were 0.06 °C above average, ranking near the median of the 62 years on record. The distribution of areas above and below average was similar to that for maximum temperatures, except that areas with warmer than normal temperatures were more broad, taking in most of the southern coast states and Tasmania, extending up through central Australia to the Top End, and sweeping up the west coast of Western Australia. In the far southwest of Western Australia minima were the warmest on record (1 to 2 °C above average), while in the inland districts temperatures were very much below average (up to 3 °C cooler than average).

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Averaged over Australia, rainfall was 13.8% above average, ranking as the 33rd wettest January in the 113 years of record.




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Dot graphs! Used to examine trends! Yay, Biology 150!!!!! :nanner2


Do you want a bar graph? If you want something different take it up with the NCDC


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and since the time period is over 17 years, it definitely is a trend.

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Another alarmist claim bites the dust.


The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows

The world's greatest snow-capped peaks, which run in a chain from the Himalayas to Tian Shan on the border of China and Kyrgyzstan, have lost no ice over the last decade, new research shows.

The discovery has stunned scientists, who had believed that around 50bn tonnes of meltwater were being shed each year and not being replaced by new snowfall.

The study is the first to survey all the world's icecaps and glaciers and was made possible by the use of satellite data. Overall, the contribution of melting ice outside the two largest caps – Greenland and Antarctica – is much less then previously estimated, with the lack of ice loss in the Himalayas and the other high peaks of Asia responsible for most of the discrepancy.

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Long overdue. :D



As is a dedicated political thread. ;)

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17 years? I'll take your graph chart and raise you one from NOAA. Over 60 years.

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/ ... malies.png

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The official "hardiness zone" of the U.S. was revised this year. A lot of areas had the zones moved north 1-60 miles due to warming.



http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/0 ... ving-north

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Trees species migrating north:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... north.html

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Temperature change for the last 131 years (NASA video).

http://youtu.be/9kFHQpZpgdg

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The weather and the gas prices around here share a striking similarity. Neither of them are stable in the least.

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I wish I could find that Canadian news article from a few weeks ago I read that stated in Canada sports like ice fishing and snowmobiling are becoming sports for the upper middle class to rich. The lack of snow in a lot of Southern Canada the last while has forced people to make trips north to snowmobile as there's not enough or no snow to snowmobile where they live.

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I wish I could find that Canadian news article from a few weeks ago I read that stated in Canada sports like ice fishing and snowmobiling are becoming sports for the upper middle class to rich. The lack of snow in a lot of Southern Canada the last while has forced people to make trips north to snowmobile as there's not enough or no snow to snowmobile where they live.
Sadly, that seems to be the case. Every time we get a few inches of snow here, it melts away in a matter of a few days. The other day about a week or so ago I walked down to the grocery store a week ago with only my hoodie on. It was like spring. Now it's getting fucking cold again. I've lost count of how many times I've pulled my down duvet on and off my bed.

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A single decade of observational TLT data is therefore inadequate for identifying a slowly evolving anthropogenic warming signal. Our results show that temperature records of at least 17 years in length are required for identifying human effects on global-mean tropospheric temperature.








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Bertler, N.A.N., Mayewski, P.A. and Carter, L. 2011. Cold conditions in Antarctica during the Little Ice Age — Implications for abrupt climate change mechanisms. Earth and Planetary Science Letters 308: 41-51.

From ice cores, the researchers were able to identify the temperature differences of the Medieval Warm Period (AD 1140 to 1287), the Little Ice Age (AD 1288 to 1807), and the Modern Era (AD 1808 to 2000). They found “the McMurdo Dry Valleys were 0.35°C warmer during the MWP than now, accompanied by warmer conditions in the Ross Sea.”

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Liu Y, Cai Q F, Song H M, et al., 2011, Amplitudes, rates, periodicities and causes of temperature variations in the past 2485 years and future trends over the central-eastern Tibetan Plateau. Chinese Sci Bull, 56: 2986 2994, doi: 10.1007/s11434-011-4713-7.

These researchers show that the Medieval Warm period was at least as warm as the current period.

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Hu, F.S., Ito, E., Brown, T.A., Curry, B.B. and Engstrom, D.R. 2001. Pronounced climatic variations in Alaska during the last two millennia. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA 98: 10,552-10,556.

Using sediment cores from Farewell Lake in the northwestern foothills of the Alaska Range, the researchers found that surface water temperatures during the Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period were the same as those now.

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Hong, B., Liu, C.-Q., Lin, Q.-H., Yasuyuki, S., Leng, X.-T., Wang, Y., Zhu, Y.-X. and Hong, Y.-T. 2009. Temperature evolution from the ä18O record of Hani peat, Northeast China, in the last 14000 years. Science in China Series D: Earth Sciences 52: 952-964.

Using cores extracted from peat deposits in Northeast China, researchers used oxygen-18 analysis and concluded that the Medieval Warm Period in China peaked about 900 AD and was 1 C warmer than the current warm period. They also found that “sudden cooling events, such as the Older Dryas, Inter-Allerod, Younger Dryas, and nine ice-rafted debris events of the North Atlantic are almost entirely reiterated in the temperature signals of Hani peat cellulose ä18O.”

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Millar, C.I., King, J.C., Westfall, R.D., Alden, H.A. and Delany, D.L. 2006. Late Holocene forest dynamics, volcanism, and climate change at Whitewing Mountain and San Joaquin Ridge, Mono County, Sierra Nevada, CA, USA. Quaternary Research 66: 273-287.

Using temperature reconstruction from tree rings, the researchers concluded that the Medieval Warm Period in Nevada was “significantly warmer” (+3.2°C) than present.

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Kaniewski, D., Van Campo, E., Paulissen, E., Weiss, H., Bakker, J., Rossignol, I. and Van Lerberghe, K. 2011. The medieval climate anomaly and the little Ice Age in coastal Syria inferred from pollen-derived palaeoclimatic patterns. Global and Planetary Change 78: 178-187.

Analyzing pollen contained in sediment cores from alluvial fans, the researchers found evidence that suggests “three peaks centered on ca. 1115, 1130 and 1170 cal yr AD suggest similar or warmer temperatures compared to AD 2000.”

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Neukom, R., Luterbacher, J., Villalba, R., Kuttel, M., Frank, D., Jones, P.D., Grosjean, M., Wanner, H., Aravena, J.-C., Black, D.E., Christie, D.A., D’Arrigo, R., Lara, A., Morales, M., Soliz-Gamboa, C., Srur, A., Urritia, R. and von Gunten, L. 2011. Multiproxy summer and winter surface air temperature field reconstructions for southern South America covering the past centuries. Climate Dynamics 37: 35-51.

Using multiple temperature proxies, the researchers concluded the warmest decade of this Medieval Warm Period in Southern South America was AD 1079-1088, and that was about 0.17°C warmer than the peak warmth of the current warm period.

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Holmgren, K., Tyson, P.D., Moberg, A. and Svanered, O. 2001. A preliminary 3000-year regional temperature reconstruction for South Africa. South African Journal of Science 97: 49-51.

These researchers deduced temperature variations from stalagmites in caves. They estimate that the Little Ice Age between AD 1500 and 1800, was about 1°C colder than they are presently. During the Medieval Warm Period at around AD 900 temperatures reached 2.5°C higher than at present. Another exceptionally warm period was noted in the late fifteenth century, when temperatures rose more than 3°C above the current level.

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I wish I could find that Canadian news article from a few weeks ago I read that stated in Canada sports like ice fishing and snowmobiling are becoming sports for the upper middle class to rich. The lack of snow in a lot of Southern Canada the last while has forced people to make trips north to snowmobile as there's not enough or no snow to snowmobile where they live.
Sadly, that seems to be the case. Every time we get a few inches of snow here, it melts away in a matter of a few days. The other day about a week or so ago I walked down to the grocery store a week ago with only my hoodie on. It was like spring. Now it's getting fucking cold again. I've lost count of how many times I've pulled my down duvet on and off my bed.


From December 1 to March 1 my area of Michigan averages 82 days of snow covered ground. This year we've had 11. When I was in school EVERY SINGLE YEAR by the time late December was here and we went on X Mas break, the Saginaw Bay was frozen enough to drive on to ice fish. The last 15 years it's rarely been cold enough for that and even many years it's not frozen enough to walk on. This year there's not even a layer of ice on it at all. Hell, it snowed an inch or so last week and when I walked outside I was surprised. Surprised to see snow in February. People blame La Nina, the arctic oscillation, etc. I don't buy it. Talking on Facebook with our local TV meteorologist he pointed out that many years in the past we had stronger La Nina's combined with more positive arctic oscillations and those years weren't even close to be this warm.

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Weather forecast for tonight: dark. Continued dark overnight, with widely scattered light by morning.

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Well, what's the weather like?

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Dot graphs! Used to examine trends! Yay, Biology 150!!!!! :nanner2


Do you want a bar graph? If you want something different take it up with the NCDC


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Germany still in the freezer, along with the rest of continental Europe. Meanwhile less cold air is over England while we stay mild. Another 200 miles movement of the Russian high westwards over Scandinavia, and we would have had a February to go down in weather lore. Very annoying : :cursing


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bunch of old timers sittin round bitching bout the weather. :lol

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bunch of old timers sittin round bitching bout the weather. :lol



Yeah, because weather is unimportant in our lives.

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you're just pissy cause winter was killed. :D

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you're just pissy cause winter was killed. :D



Aside form last year, pretty much every winter was killed.

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WCB and Britton should start their own weather service called InaccuWeather.


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WCB and Britton should start their own weather service called InaccuWeather.



At least it would be more than just stating temperatures and precipitation. :lol

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WCB and Britton should start their own weather service called InaccuWeather.



At least it would be more than just stating temperatures and precipitation. :lol


I would personally hope you would hire some hot babes for the updates becasue both of you are ugly. :P


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At least it would be more than just stating temperatures and precipitation. :lol


I would personally hope you would hire some hot babes for the updates becasue both of you are ugly. :P



We could hire your wife. :lol

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Britton wrote:
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WCB and Britton should start their own weather service called InaccuWeather.



At least it would be more than just stating temperatures and precipitation. :lol


I would personally hope you would hire some hot babes for the updates becasue both of you are ugly. :P



We could hire your wife. :lol


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